Escort martini/monte

[Sierra rs]

Hi,probably we not understand.
The limited edition Escort Cosworth Monte,was build in 200 limited number,In italy this car had been sold with change name in Martini.
The escort Martini is the same of Monte !!! In Italy use Martini name in honor to Martini sponsor of official Italian Rally car.
These car have the plaque in the banan pod,in Iatly there're 2 on sale number 24 and number 51.They're Martini,but is the same of Monte change only a sticker from Monte to martini !!I've the chassis number if you need.
Now the question is: In Italy there're some escort cosworth small turbo Martini(Monte) look,but without the plaque !! They 're post 200 limited edition.
My doubd is that the Italian Fird say that for the chassis number 1 of these small turbo is number 061.Is possible exist another limited edition?
I hope we understand..my english not is the best...

[Rippers]

The article above states that the Italians disregarded the numbering. The Chassis number has nothing to do with the plaque number

[Sierra rs]

The article not is correct,in the book cosworth and ford road cars there's write the Monte escort was sold in Italy with Martini name.They are numbered and are the same limited edition of the monte.
With chassis number you can find what number is it? I've the picture of the number,on the banan pod.!!
In Italy the Martini ash black chassis RS949++ is the number 051.

[Rippers]

Like I said earlier the Martini is very confusing as I've seen some with the plaque in the pod, some with the plaque on the clock, one with the Martini badge on the tailgate and some with none at all!
It sounds to me like Martini's/Italian cars where probably delivered with plaque number separately and it was up to the dealer or owner to place the badges where they wanted (if at all) as there is no consistency to any of the Martini's
There is definitely no way of working out the number from the chassis, they are all over the place and nothing related to the chassis number at all.

In my opinion if the factory build sheet states Raven Flow as the interior cloth it was a commemorative Esc Cos whether it had a numbered plaque or not.

Also if your worried it is a normal escort with a Monte/Martini seats check the hand brake button is chrome as thats the biggest give away

[Sierra rs]

so if I want to buy a luxury escort, internal changes, put gearshift knob, handbrake button, and circles oz, make myself a plate numbered 030 motorsports ... and I have a Monte?

then the Monte does not have any added value, why not traceable!!

[Rippers]

Why would you want to fake a Monte? and surely anyone with any common sence would look at the history of the car to back up what the car is.
Like I have said a few times now, the only way of checking a Monte is a real one is via checking the chassis number with the Factory Build sheet and that will state the trim the car was made with, only Monte/Martini came with the Raven Flow Interior

[Sierra rs]

Is difficolt for me say my idea... I not wont make a monte...

With chassis number the escort martini small turbo,in database Ford have the rawen flor interior !! other this the car have OZ grey wheels,alloy gearknob,and crome handbrake botton,now It's a Italian Martini,but if you think...It can be a Monte....
Now whe know the 200 limited edition is only violet,black and mallard green,this escort is petrol blue..it's extra 200....

The Monte big turbo in italy is only avaible in ash black and the name was change from monte to Martini.The Monte 051 when arrive in Italy,change name in Martini 051.You understand? I'm Sure of this,I spocke with a ford shop !! When arrive in Italy put the martini stickers and leave the Monte.

[Rippers]

You have lost me so much with translation now that I don't even know what we are discussing

first it was 061, then it was 051, it was blue now its black, everything I'm saying is wrong, the article is wrong and your mate at the ford shop knows everything

[Sierra rs]

Look the follow pictures this is the Martini T25 on sale in italy.The upper spoile is optional after first 2500 escort.If you look the interior,the gearknob and other are the same of Monte...

if I put a copy of number plate ... I can safely pass it to a mountain, who can deny me? only the color that helps us to identify not merely because it is petrol blue.

[Sierra rs]

You have lost me so much with translation now that I don't even know what we are discussing

first it was 061, then it was 051, it was blue now its black, everything I'm saying is wrong, the article is wrong and your mate at the ford shop knows everything

Paul you are right. The principal problem is that the Italian ford with chassis number of this small turbo petrol blue,say it's number 061. If not possible find a number from chassis,why they say this????

the second question is that the Martini is the same of the Monte...not is other limited car...

[Ben Purnell]

having read this again, I believe this is what we are trying to establish

1. There are two cars for sale in Italy that Claudio wants to potentially buy. 1 is a Martini edition with a build plaque of No 51 and is Ash Black. The other is a T25 car as in the pics above with the monte trim etc... but no build plaque

The confusion

1. Claudio has assumed that the only colours for a monte, are jewel violet, black and mallard green. Note the T25 car is Petrol Blue
But as the article in post 14 that Paul put up it states that the italians ordered 100 cars without the commerative badging and build plaque these cars where Petrol Blue or White.

Now what we are trying to work out is and whether we can establish it is another matter. Are these 100 cars that the Italians ordered in the article part of the commerative Monte/Martini cars or where the White and Petrol Blue cars seperate to the Monte/Martini edition.

It seems to me that the White and Blue cars are not monte/martini cars (i.e part of the 200), but the confusing thing is they share the same trim etc... with the monte versions but don't have the build plaque.

We then have the Ford dealer in Italy is stating its number 51. I think we can discount this as we know that the chassis number has no meaning to the build number and we know number 51 is a jewel violet car, there would not be two cars with the same number.

So to answer your question with what I have read on this thread is that there are 200 monte cars with build plaques, and there are also 100 Martini version made to the same spec as the Monte cars but without the build plaques, but do not form part of the commerative edition and these 100 cars will be either white or petrol blue

[Sierra rs]

Ok I think is correct,but my last question,the Italian Martini ash black,T35 turbo with build plaque,as the same of limited 200 Monte edition,ok?
Because In Italy there're more or less 5 escort Martini big turbo with plaque,and all car is ash black,and alla parts like a Monte.
Then I know only 1 escort cosworth Martini T25 jewet violet were sold in italy,but i not know the number...this cas were sold in Belgio or other north europe country I not remember.
thanks all for help me.
I has in past 2 escort T35 1 wolf and 1 motorsport,I sold these car some year ago,now I've 5 sierra 3 door,and 1 rs500,now I wont buy an very goode escort....

[Ben Purnell]

Yes I think the T35 ash black ones are part of the monte edition as it would make sense with the build plaques
The T25 Jewel violet one would be interesting to know if it has a build plaque or not as if I remember rightly there were a few non monte edition cars painted in that colour

I would be interested to see some pics of your past and present cars

[COZZFATHER]

Ok I think is correct,but my last question,the Italian Martini ash black,T35 turbo with build plaque,as the same of limited 200 Monte edition,ok?
Because In Italy there're more or less 5 escort Martini big turbo with plaque,and all car is ash black,and alla parts like a Monte.
Then I know only 1 escort cosworth Martini T25 jewet violet were sold in italy,but i not know the number...this cas were sold in Belgio or other north europe country I not remember.
thanks all for help me.
I has in past 2 escort T35 1 wolf and 1 motorsport,I sold these car some year ago,now I've 5 sierra 3 door,and 1 rs500,now I wont buy an very goode escort....

Claudio,please put pics up of your 5 sierra cosworths and the rs500,also do you have pics of your wolf escort cosworth too you sold ??

i have owned left hand drive cosworths from italy,1 from vicenza and 1 from sicilly

i also own a left hand drive but mines one of them rare Walter Wolf Racing cars

[Sierra rs]

Hi,The escort violet is t25 numbered...but we not remember the number...
My ex wolf escort not is the best...the preview owner... leave more particolar parts....it have only,exaust wolf,bilstein wolf,full buches,and ecu with wolf sticker,green injiectors,and a plaque on the engine with wolf design.In the documents there'was write 300bhp and 18 wheels,but the wheels was sold before.....

Ok I think the history of Martini/Monte is clear for me,thank you !!
Now I put here my picture,but if you prefer,I post in other tread.