ALS kit.

[ossie cossie]

I am getting the bits together to put ALS on my escos, I have a modified throttle body on its way, i also have a collins P8 ALS board on its way, what else do i need to get to fit this up. can it be done DIY, I know i also need the modified ICSV, i take it it will need a switch to turn it on and some wires earthed in the ECU, anybody done this, any more would be great.
Tony.

[Mike Rainbird]

Your turbo needs a Mar-M 247 shaft - unless of course that this is going to be used more as a gimmick? Otherwise the heat that this causes (above 1000°C) will melt the standard one.....

You do also realise that you won't have your ISCV to help keep the car idling when it is first cold, so it is advisable to have the cold start remapped to suit the lack of this.....

[Joe-Tait]

Does anyone ever use it

Its like a must on the spec sheet these days i hope you lot havnt caught the bug off the evo owners

[Sunnysidebb]

Mike has a good point, however, for my first 10 or so National A Rallies , EARS M/News championship, I always ran my Collins ALS on a modded standard T3. No exceptions. Always. It makes a huge difference when changing gears and on tight twisty stuff where you are on and off throttle all the time. BUT....... the turbo would only last at best 3 events. At worst 1 event. So I bought a full gp A Mar-M 247 left hand threaded turbo from RED. It lasted another 15 or so events before I took it back to Fossil in the stores at RED and they sent it away for me again. It was not cheep and tbh if it wasn't for the fact a blown turbo can ruin an even that has cost 2-3 k to prepare for and enter then it was still cheaper to get the standard turbo repaired.

I cant remember the cost of my Turbo from RED as it was back in the mid 90's but IIRC is was in the region of 3K back then.


Anyway, if you don't have the Mar-M shafted turbo, with 7 deg cuts and 360 deg thrust you will be stupid to use als. on a road car on the public road it might last longer but not that much longer as it being worth it.
The ICVS mod is actually quite simple, the air valve is machined larger to allow more air to by-pass the throttle. You reverse the resistance track wires on the TPS so the resistance is inverted.

You will also have to run Water injection and possibly Toluene at 1:19 fuel.

All your pipes in the region of the exhaust will need extensive heat shielding, your front prop will suffer extreme heat and so will the driver floor.
i had to put an ally heat shield either side of the tunnel as the paint was turning black and burning my left leg. After an RED carbon heat shield all was well.
ALS produced masses of heat, so be sure you want to fit it and once you do, do you really want to use it

contact me anytime if you want to talk about my experience of ALS.
Frank

[Cossie col]

All you will need for road is pop and bang flame setup so looks sounds But does nothing elseFull anti lag is dangerous on the road as it pushes you along under braking unless you clutch in

[Sunnysidebb]

Full anti lag is dangerous on the road as it pushes you along under braking unless you clutch in

Not true at all, the car will never run off with you. The ALS program in the ECU basically pulls back timing and alters fueling to the extent that the combustion takes place in the turbo manifold causing the turbo to spin causing extreme heat and boost. My Collins ALS would produce about 0.5 bar at idle on the start line. The car does not produce power when off throttle as there isn't very much fuel being burnt in the cylinders. So it doesn't keep driving when you lift off, nor is it dangerous. That's not just supposition but almost 5 years of driving a GPA ESCOS with ALS.
ALS is not dangerous, just expensive and not good for your car.

PS I have P8 ECU with a GPA Collins program to run 34mm and ALS, I don't need! i have the engine loom for it some where as well, but fook knows where.
ps ps i also have 2 x 34mm FIA approved restrictors if any on wants one?

[M.Hansen]

Not true at all, the car will never run off with you. The ALS program in the ECU basically pulls back timing and alters fueling to the extent that the combustion takes place in the turbo manifold causing the turbo to spin causing extreme heat and boost. My Collins ALS would produce about 0.5 bar at idle on the start line. The car does not produce power when off throttle as there isn't very much fuel being burnt in the cylinders. So it doesn't keep driving when you lift off, nor is it dangerous. That's not just supposition but almost 5 years of driving a GPA ESCOS with ALS.
ALS is not dangerous, just expensive and not good for your car.

PS I have P8 ECU with a GPA Collins program to run 34mm and ALS, I don't need! i have the engine loom for it some where as well, but fook knows where.
ps ps i also have 2 x 34mm FIA approved restrictors if any on wants one?

could you drop me a pm with a price on that.

[Sunnysidebb]

could you drop me a pm with a price on that.

PM sent

[Mike Rainbird]

Not true at all, the car will never run off with you. The ALS program in the ECU basically pulls back timing and alters fueling to the extent that the combustion takes place in the turbo manifold causing the turbo to spin causing extreme heat and boost. My Collins ALS would produce about 0.5 bar at idle on the start line. The car does not produce power when off throttle as there isn't very much fuel being burnt in the cylinders. So it doesn't keep driving when you lift off, nor is it dangerous. That's not just supposition but almost 5 years of driving a GPA ESCOS with ALS.
ALS is not dangerous, just expensive and not good for your car.

PS I have P8 ECU with a GPA Collins program to run 34mm and ALS, I don't need! i have the engine loom for it some where as well, but fook knows where.
ps ps i also have 2 x 34mm FIA approved restrictors if any on wants one?

It does feel like it is pushing the car on, as you don't get the engine braking when you lift off the throttle with the ALS on.....

[Stu @ M Developments]

It does feel like it is pushing the car on, as you don't get the engine braking when you lift off the throttle with the ALS on.....

I agree, and also worthy of note is if you have vacuum servo assisted brakes, ALS disables them pretty fast. LOL

[warrenpenalver]

feels like its pushing you on not actually pushing you on would probably be more accurate but yeah it does feel like the cars in control not you. but thats half the fun IMO coming out a tight corner or two and just holding the fuck on

luckily stu arent all factory cossies hydraulic accumulator assisted?? So i presume this is only a problem with those fitting cossie lumps in non cossie shells.

[ossie cossie]

i have some pics of the parts i have i will up load them and then ask the question,s about how to fit it and what else do i need. Possibly a pair of brown trousers

[ossie cossie]

OK this is my ECU as it stands at the moment.

This is the Collins anti lag board i have.

[ossie cossie]

I have been told that all i have to do with the ECU end is takeout my board, put in the ALS board and then put in my FR1 mountune chip back in the multipin connector I C1. Is this correct? I know i also have to do other stuff with the throttle body and ISCV.
Also what are the other two chips, in the boards I C3 and I C2.

[warrenpenalver]

what else do i need. Possibly a pair of brown trousers

hahaha

its not that bad unless you set it off in a closed garage

the "push on" effect people describe is just the lack of engine breaking. Engine breaking surprises a lot of people i guess. considering you can stop a car with engine braking alone to about 2mph tells you the power. the wrong use of engine braking mid turn for example when people sillyly lift off mid corner is a prime example of how engine braking can screw things up for you on the limit.

The big difference is the throttle response. Or "lack of lag" as some would say.