Escos ignition

[oohogwash]

I am in the process of setting up an aftermarket ECU on a YB.
I have been advised that I can use the basic YB sierra distributor to get the ignition signal and that the escos has an out of the box setup for this.
However I cannot find the escos parts on the net.

Can someone educate me on the parts and sources please.

Regards
Gavan

[ossie cossie]

What make of ECU, do you intend fitting? I will be looking at getting something similar on my track Cosworth soon, i know of a guy here in WA that has fitted an Autronic SM4 to his sierra RS500 and another 3dr has a motec fitted, another one has a cosworth engine in MK2 escort and has fitted an after market ECU to that as well.

[Jake]

I am in the process of setting up an aftermarket ECU on a YB.
I have been advised that I can use the basic YB sierra distributor to get the ignition signal and that the escos has an out of the box setup for this.
However I cannot find the escos parts on the net.

Can someone educate me on the parts and sources please.

Regards
Gavan

YB engine uses inductive type distributor, use hall-type instead , can be found in a basic Sierra with an Pinto engine propably for free from scrap, it is same except has hall-sensor, usually that is used for home signal and not only for ignition, home signal is needed for sequential injection and COP`s/wasted spark. *Note, this distributor needs a bit of mods, cut 3 of the 4 teeths off and adjust timing just before cyl.1 tdc. Other really expensive method is to use the one from T25 Escos, but that is plug and play (looks badass aswell)

[mondeofreak]

You must look what kind of ECU you want and what signals it can handle. Ive running a MS2 System and it can handle most part, because of the open surce thing. Best way is, too find someone who can handle the software after you make hardware. Normaly they can handle both type. Read the instruction for the ECU.

[oohogwash]

I have a MoTeC M800, it looks great, (I liked the MS stuff too, next time ) can handle both magentic an hall effect sensors.
I will be running full sequential ignition configuration.

I found the cost of a loom made up by MoTeC dealers to be very high, looking to get a good loom from UK folks and either find a connection to adapt to Motec or cut Marelli plug off and wire to the M800.

Using a 36 tooth (1 missing) on crank pulley need a second for sync. Which is where some of my questions came from. I heard a good location was on jack shaft pulley in preference to cam pulleys. I had looked at the pinto distributor approach, the MoTeC tuner refused to tune if I did that, insisted on using a hall effect, seemed strange, but I guess eliminating variation in signals is worth pursuing.

Whats your track car configured with Ossie


Also need any maps that anyone has for M800 and knowledge of sensors that have been calibrated for the ecu, again tuners charge a lot to calibrate new sensors (e.g. Weber Marelli 3Bar...) so any tables and sensor data appreciated.

Gavan

[ossie cossie]

Gavan, i don't have the engine in it yet, however i do have some normal ford EC,s P8 and L series L6 or 8 i think. But they are old school and would probably work in a road car situation, but i need a reliable/ programmable one in the track car, Mark has mentioned the Emtron ECU based in NSW, worth a look at?

[oohogwash]

I had a full loom and ECU, leant it to a guy who never returned it... I am thinking I can get the car running with some research on the M800, its a great unit. I have witnessed a few people screw up tuning of Cossies on unknown ecus, at least there are a few people who have knowledge of them with MOTECS,,,, just have to find em

[ossie cossie]

Got a guy over here has a motec on his 3dr with dash as well, and another one has an Autronic on his RS500, so lots of different ones can be used.

[ossie cossie]

I had a full loom and ECU, leant it to a guy who never returned it... I am thinking I can get the car running with some research on the M800, its a great unit. I have witnessed a few people screw up tuning of Cossies on unknown ecus, at least there are a few people who have knowledge of them with MOTECS,,,, just have to find em

Anyone i know? for a Cosworth?

[oohogwash]

I know of two tuners in Brisbane... and Linc did his in Melb, I would think Aaron knows of another. I must ping him.
As I get into the M800, its pretty straight forward, its just getting someone to tune it.

[jsa]

Here's a couple contacts you might have tried already.

Well regarded, seemed to think cosy sensors were straight forward last I spoke to him.
Paul Masterton
29 Hayward St
Stafford QLD 4053

(07) 3356 9705


Don't know if Neal Lowe is still involved. But worth a call as Neal was involved with DJR during the GpA Sierra era.
Neal Lowe Motorsports / NA Autosport & Engineering

Nick Ashwin
21 Brennan Street
Slacks Creek, 4127
Brisbane
Phone/Fax: (07) 3808 3048


As for the loom, are Motec offering Tefzel/Raychem ?

A cheapo option would be to reuse the OEM loom and change the ECU connector if the Motec is going in the OEM spot. Add extra wires for alterations like COP or wasted spark

[jsa]

A couple others to call, no 1st hand knowledge of them, make your own judgement.

Bullet Cars Contact Details

Address:
Unit 5/2 Ant Road
Yatala Queensland 4207
AUSTRALIA

Tel: +61 7 3382 0018

CNJ Motorsport
102 Kingston Road
Underwood QLD 4119
Australia
Telephone: (07) 3290-3966

[oohogwash]

Thanks for contact details, I have talked to the neil lowe before, hes retired now, either his shop or the stafford one are likely to tune the car.
Since last post I have been connected with a guy who is senior chap in motec that has raced cosworth YB based engines for a decade (Not turboed however), he was able to advise and confirm the questions I have.
The real challenge is now to get a decent loom made. Motec do have base looms, but its the connetor and fitting that is the challenge.
I have a basic loom but I most likely wont use it.
I am checking with Folks in UK and Aus. If you know of good loom builder at reasonable cost I would appreciate it.
I have Motorsport developments on my list, but it might be hard in UK and they are busy on regular stuff.

[jsa]

Jaimie Augustine ?

Define what you consider a good loom and reasonable ?

I think fitting yb connectors to motec loom would be more time consuming than fitting motec connector to yb loom. Which way do you want to attack it ?

Which connector option has your m800 got ?

[oohogwash]

loom

Good loom is one that is reliable and not impacting readings or signals.

I already have a MoteC unterminated loom, as supplied in catalogue.
I had two Cosworth looms, my good one was kept by a guy I leant it to so only have a crappy one. Either way the old cossie looms are not the best.

I looked at a uk built cosworth loom connected to Motec, could be done but logistics are challenge.

I have few local loom builders i have contacted.

In the end it maybe that I use the MoTec loom which has good ref / sync leads and upgrade with Tefzel for other key sensors and RayChem and get help from some colleagues with proper crimping tools.

As some friends pointed out I have enough background in the field to get it done....
Which matches the rest of the build