Who can live map a P8?

[Dave H]

If the P8 has a Pectel board, no-one can "live" map it..... You have to keep burning chips until you get it right. On all the other Webber ECUs, you can plug in an emulator and properly live map it, but no-one has a dongle for P8 with a Pectel board. If it doesn't have one of these, then Stu at MSD live can live map the standard ECU.

How do I know if it has a pectel board or not? Does it come from the factory with one or is it an add on on some stage 3 conversions? Am I best going the L8 route then?

[Mike Rainbird]

How do I know if it has a pectel board or not? Does it come from the factory with one or is it an add on on some stage 3 conversions? Am I best going the L8 route then?

Open up the ECU and check. If it has the "usual" Stage 3 conversion, then it will have a Pectel board (but MSD don't).

You can map it in the car, but it is not "live". How they usually do it is with one of the Pectel monitors that can adjust the fuelling and ignition timing. Once it is as close as they can get it with that method, they then write a chip to that spec, burn it to an EPROM, remove the old chip, replace it with the new and repeat until they are happy. It usually takes up to 7-8 chips to get it spot on.

Where on the other ECUs it can be properly live mapped, as in you can keep making adjustments on the lap top "live" until you are happy (via an emulator which connects the lap top directly into the ECU) and then when it is done just send the final map to the existing EPROM in the ECU - job done.

I like the P8, it just takes a lot longer to map, but it's additional features are worth it in my mind.

[Dave H]

It's got the MSD 380 conversion. When I had it done they gave me back a board and chip which I sold. I presume then it hasn't got the pectel board?

[adamescortcosworth]

I map any of the Weber or Pectel ECU's for future reference. I do offer work on other management systems too not just Ford either.

Ahmed Bayjoo and Paul Hills work directly from my workshop if you require specialist ECU work or tuning, or even checking of my map if you need more confidence in my ability
I will try to be on the safer side of tuning and throttle response, than making max power on customers engines. Hence when running big power YB's i get them checked over again just to be on the safe side. This is good for the customer as it has 2 trained eyes check over the maps. .

Would you be able to live map my escos if I brought it to you? I'm on l8 at the moment, if so can you pm me a price to map it, Thanks

[Tore_TJ]

Open up the ECU and check. If it has the "usual" Stage 3 conversion, then it will have a Pectel board (but MSD don't).

You can map it in the car, but it is not "live". How they usually do it is with one of the Pectel monitors that can adjust the fuelling and ignition timing. Once it is as close as they can get it with that method, they then write a chip to that spec, burn it to an EPROM, remove the old chip, replace it with the new and repeat until they are happy. It usually takes up to 7-8 chips to get it spot on.

Where on the other ECUs it can be properly live mapped, as in you can keep making adjustments on the lap top "live" until you are happy (via an emulator which connects the lap top directly into the ECU) and then when it is done just send the final map to the existing EPROM in the ECU - job done.

I like the P8, it just takes a lot longer to map, but it's additional features are worth it in my mind.

Anyone can livemap my P8, but then agin it's rplab modded lol

[cossiedavid]

I map any of the Weber or Pectel ECU's for future reference. I do offer work on other management systems too not just Ford either.

Ahmed Bayjoo and Paul Hills work directly from my workshop if you require specialist ECU work or tuning, or even checking of my map if you need more confidence in my ability
I will try to be on the safer side of tuning and throttle response, than making max power on customers engines. Hence when running big power YB's i get them checked over again just to be on the safe side. This is good for the customer as it has 2 trained eyes check over the maps. .

interesting

[Mike Rainbird]

It's got the MSD 380 conversion. When I had it done they gave me back a board and chip which I sold. I presume then it hasn't got the pectel board?

If that is the case, then I think you will find that only Stu can remap it, or any of the other mappers mentioned will want to refit the Pectel board and do it the way I said.

[mallard man]

Iv'e seen tony map loads of cars. I've never seen him take 7-8 trys more like 1-2 I saw him map steve 4i's car and frasers they both beat all on a rolling road shoot out. Its like everything there is plenty that can do it, but only a few have proven results.

From johnny

[oddkidd]

Would you be able to live map my escos if I brought it to you? I'm on l8 at the moment, if so can you pm me a price to map it, Thanks

Yes of course, there is no need for a PM as my prices are known and have been the same for the last 10 years.
The price is roughly around £150. Thats what most customers get charged for a visual look and hands on check over the engine with fuel pressure, voltage drops, static tune, road map and testing. On pretty much any engine with a Cosworth ECU.

If its a new engine build it can be run in on the rollers before high rpm and maps etc. Also if its a high power car like some of the skylines or 500+bhp engines most of the work is done on the rollers for safety as much as simplicity. Then obviously the final adjustments on the map would be done on the road.

Personally i prefer the real road over any other method of tuning an engine.

Sinclair motorsport is next door with a rolling road if you want a print out after the map has been finished this can be arranged.

[chriswrc51]

Iv'e seen tony map loads of cars. I've never seen him take 7-8 trys more like 1-2 I saw him map steve 4i's car and frasers they both beat all on a rolling road shoot out. Its like everything there is plenty that can do it, but only a few have proven results.

From johnny

Does Tony live map them or on the rollers as im most likely going to get him to do mine?

[mallard man]

No he doesn't, no point mapping a car on the rollers when it spends all its time on the road or track.

From johnny

[Stu @ M Developments]

I remember Harvey and Ahmed telling me that the encryption board can make you "think" you are mapping it correctly, and then put random code in key places, which corrupts the information, and you not be aware that it is doing it .

Correct.