who runs compresiion struts?

[cozzylee]

just want to clear this up ive seen a few cars running comp struts and no arb is this ok just relying on the spring? seen others with a bladed wrc roll bar also

[cossyking]

Im running them with no anti roll bar it seems fine

[cozzylee]

people say they seem to drive fine and others say you need a roll bar im going to fit mine without for now cheers

[cossyking]

prob help with roll bar but mine seems fine

[oddkidd]

Not ideal without a rollbar tbh.

Much better to fit a bladed bar and set to correct adjustments to suit your driving style and weights etc.

[RS 500 Registrar]

To run them without a ARB is crazy

would you remove the ARB from your car for no reason ? no you wouldnt , so why run a car on comp stuts without a ARB

If people understood the correct aplication for why Comp struts are used then they probs wouldnt fit them, they are in no way suitable for road / track use without a ARB

And im most cases they actuall fail on the road / track

[Dave H]

I thought they replaced the anti roll bar, as they connect from the lower arms to the arb mounts on the chassis?

[the youth]

They do, What Paul is saying is you should use a front bladed type roll bar aswell as the compression struts

Steve

[Dave H]

I see

[Davecos 4x4]

I don't see any tca's with the ability to accept both though.

[cozzylee]

wrc roll bar i think people use

[markk]

To run them without a ARB is crazy

Not necessarily

would you remove the ARB from your car for no reason ? no you wouldnt , so why run a car on comp stuts without a ARB

As a competition part, one would assume competition dampers had been fitted to work with the compression struts.

If people understood the correct aplication for why Comp struts are used then they probs wouldnt fit them, they are in no way suitable for road / track use without a ARB

I do perfectly, and ran without an ARB for many many years, turn in was superb.

And im most cases they actuall fail on the road / track

They only fail if you fit them incorrectly or buy sub-standard parts, I ran mine in the gravel stages, with rocks that would frighten you into a heart attack hitting the underside of my car

Plenty of in-experience talking there Paul.

Despite all the talk for many years, I ran them, and not even 909 spec items either for along time of both gravel and tar, never did I have a failure, nor did I feel I could have been quicker with a roll bar.
This was on both 2 and 4wd cars.

I don't doubt there may be advantages to having a bar, hell why would the works team spend development money for nothing, but for the average user, if the dampers are uprated, try them, you might be surprised.

[RS 500 Registrar]

Plenty of in-experience talking there Paul.

Despite all the talk for many years, I ran them, and not even 909 spec items either for along time of both gravel and tar, never did I have a failure, nor did I feel I could have been quicker with a roll bar.
This was on both 2 and 4wd cars.

I don't doubt there may be advantages to having a bar, hell why would the works team spend development money for nothing, but for the average user, if the dampers are uprated, try them, you might be surprised.

Mark

you ALWAYS argue regards Comp struts

you SHOULD know full well the correct aplication for them , and road / track use is NOT what they are for

If you want to use them fine ,but you shouldnt give credit for useing them for the wrong aplication , i 100% wouldnt and never will

I have far more experiance in motorsport than i think you know about mark and have been around the motorsport scene for many many years and had involvment in much higher scenes than clubman rallying , so i have plenty of knowlage thank you

Are you sure you realy know what the correct aplication for comp stuts are , as your reply would sugest not



You say that it turned in fine ,,,well i hope it does as this is the whole point of comp stuts , to allow the car to shove the front wheels forward offering a much better angle on the front wheels when in lock , BUT , mainly on gravell where grip is at a minimum so a roll bar actually becomes no use what so ever , plus RALLY cars are running such hard suspension this also can take away the need for a ARB , NOT the case in road or track cars on a tarmac track

I also competed in grass track racing for many years , where like gravel there was very limited grip on corners so comp struts were used to give a very high amount of Neg camber on full lock giving much imporved grip , again without an ARB as an ARB wasnt much use when the front end cant grip and slides rather than rolls , as we all know to make a car roll a lot if first needs great grip ,,what you dont get on grass or gravell , yet you do on tarmac , hence wht Bladed ARBs are usually fitted

I will stand my my advice that Comp struts on road / track cars is not a good idea without a ARB, I tried it myself on my RWD escoss track / road car and i found it rolled massivly and rattled on the road due to the comp struts being a solid mount ( ie no bushes ) all rose jointed , i quicly went back to an ARB and the car was a 1000 times better

I would say that most folk would agree that a road / track car should be more like a race car than a Gravel spec rally car regards suspension set up , and the race cars always run ARBs









All My opinion of course , so i quess we shall have to agree to disagree

[grcossie]

I don't see any tca's with the ability to accept both though.

I have seen some that looks like oe ones, whit 2 holes in, and adjustable. Don`t now who made them

[JHS]

I have seen some that looks like oe ones, whit 2 holes in, and adjustable. Don`t now who made them

Suhe used to have some with 2 holes and some special brackets so you could use compression struts and standard ARB. Not adjustable TCAs though.


I have to agree with Paul on the compression struts, I tried them on mine without ARB with GAZ coilovers. Didnt like it at all, swapped straigth back to ARB and sold the compression struts.
Cant say I've noticed any motorsport cars used on tarmac that doesnt run a ARB. Plenty of gravel and snow specced cars dont use ARB though...

Ford have made some 909 stuff at some point though, but its impossible to get hold of