And so the Questions start.....

[Bergcup435]

Go for it Ben, but take it easy all the same.

9Jx17 ET23 Team Dynamics are 9.2kg each.

also I know an Escos owner that had over 600ps and still used a 7" rear diff (and slicks) with no problems. The front diff is likely the weak point and of course the gearbox.

maybe see you at Autosport in Jan to get some updates.

[Gatecrasher]

I was talking about the barrels off it!

No chance i allready asked mike he said its got to be the whole thing...

Go for it Ben, but take it easy all the same.

9Jx17 ET23 Team Dynamics are 9.2kg each.

also I know an Escos owner that had over 600ps and still used a 7" rear diff (and slicks) with no problems. The front diff is likely the weak point and of course the gearbox.

maybe see you at Autosport in Jan to get some updates.

Hey Kenny whats up hows your little beast coming along?

Thanks for the info on the wheels thats the Pro Race 1.3 yeah? is there much difference having 17's on the car compared to 18's handling wise?.... i know if you go the other way 19's fuck the handling up.. whats you thoughts?

not worried about break calliper clearance as im going for 4 pot 330's they are a lot lighter than my old 362mm 6 pots

nice and simple with the front and rear diffs same as my old spec, Quaife internals.. thick wall case on the front and Ally cover....

gearbox is giving me a bit of greif as they are so bloody expensive for a dogbox.. as steven has said a R&D would suit me but mike seems to think i will break it and i cant really afford to take a chance as i could wind up costing me more in the long run buying the RanD and then to have it fixed and then to sell it to buy another stronger box for £4K so got to try and find a super strong one cheap in the first place....

Be great to catch up at Autosport

[Bergcup435]

my 9x17 TD's were the pro race 1.2's.
If you've got cash to spend, BBS will make Magnesium 10x18 wheels for 1000 Euro each, they weigh 7.6kg.
Changing the wheels from 16" to 17" to 18" alone for example does not adversily change things like roll centre, but lowering the Escos after fitting bigger wheels and the roll centre is changed and then the handling is affected. The roll axis is also affected, this probably makes a bigger difference. (ask Mike)
this is where the extra cost comes in to making the Escos handle better.

The rally car here has 18's on tarmac and the car handles really well, but thats with GrA (and wrc) uprights which were designed to control tca angles better.

330 AP calipers fit under the 9x17 Team Dynamics, but I had 15mm spacers fitted.

My Bara dogbox was great, really quick gear changes, no problems. Only the original ratios could be better.

[Gatecrasher]

no ive not got 4K to spend on one set of wheels thanks for the heads up its allways nice to know whats out there and what it costs

just done a bit of working out on them wheels you may be interested to know...

Quoted from Mike

The performance gain achieved by reducing the wheel mass (Un-sprung Mass) can be quantified using a factor of six. This means that to achieve the same performance gain by reducing the body mass, it is necessary to remove six times the wheel weight saving.

The 9x17 Pro Race alloys have a saving of 3.6kg over 9x18 comp mo x 4 wheels = 14.4kg x 6 is like removing 86.4Kg from the Bodywork.

how comes you needed a spacer kenny was they CP5200's on 330mm x 28mm disks?

another quick bit of info the next size ap breaks are CP5555 / 355s, the CP5200 are only .2 lighter but the 355 disks are 1kg heavier.. god knows how heavy my old 362's were thats 1.2 x 2 = 2.4kg x 6 = 14.4kg

14.4 + 86.4 = 108kg

[B13 JUS]

Kelv you will need to take the head of to do that conversion.
The manifold will need porting to match your head.
Jimbo do you not do a plenum with the extra 4 injectors in it? So kelv can keep his manifold?

[SCS j1mbo]

Yes justin we do, and for kelv that wouldn't be a bad thing but a injector change may be needed as due to the distance between the injector nozzle and trumpet is a lot more than a rs500 item. I will have to double check what I'm saying but I'm sure we normally use 8 greys, four on top with normal spray pattern and four in the back with a 12 degree spray, also know as squirters as it fires very straight.

I'll have a chat with kelv

[JHS]

no ive not got 4K to spend on one set of wheels thanks for the heads up its allways nice to know whats out there and what it costs

just done a bit of working out on them wheels you may be interested to know...

Quoted from Mike


The 9x17 Pro Race alloys have a saving of 3.6kg over 9x18 comp mo x 4 wheels = 14.4kg x 6 is like removing 86.4Kg from the Bodywork.

how comes you needed a spacer kenny was they CP5200's on 330mm x 28mm disks?

another quick bit of info the next size ap breaks are CP5555 / 355s, the CP5200 are only .2 lighter but the 355 disks are 1kg heavier.. god knows how heavy my old 362's were thats 1.2 x 2 = 2.4kg x 6 = 14.4kg

14.4 + 86.4 = 108kg

Rota 9x18" are 10,7kg each

[Gatecrasher]

At 10.7 they are light but still 1.6 heavier than the ProRace1.3 witch equates to 38.4kg overall... i know it all sounds a bit anal but all the little bits add up

http://www.rimstock.co.uk/wheeldetail.php?id=43

This is providing that 17's will perform as well as 18's... Anyone?

[cosmagedon]

Try talking to PD about his gearkit. That runs 2wd ratios and spiritof75 has had no problems with his, plus i remember someone dropping a hint there could be dog version on the cards? Or have you thought about a lude box?

http://www.escortrscosworth.com/foru...ad.php?t=24467
Mark is planning on remaking the mountune barrels, well priced aswel thats what i payed for mine

[Kelv]

Gaz, have you still got the barrels you had off of me, or now using the MK variants?

[Gatecrasher]

Looking at DPE or LUDE gearbox wise..

I did see the barrels on passion ford but didnt find a thread on here thanks for the link

complete with fuel rail ,als motor ,rotary throttle switch ,throttle cable and are 1mm bigger than standard... Brand Spanking new they are a bargain at £2200 imo a complete no brainer for everyone! honestly if you want drivability there it is right there...

[cosmagedon]

Sticking with the ones ive got kelv. Ive always had a 600bhp limit on my car i said i would never go over so mine will be ideal for whatever i throw at it

[Kelv]

Nice one Gaz

Ben, I've got a full DPE kit in mine

[JHS]

At 10.7 they are light but still 1.6 heavier than the ProRace1.3 witch equates to 38.4kg overall... i know it all sounds a bit anal but all the little bits add up

http://www.rimstock.co.uk/wheeldetail.php?id=43

This is providing that 17's will perform as well as 18's... Anyone?

I see what you mean But as you've pointed out, the ProRace 1.3 are 17" and the Rotas are 18". Talking of anal, have you looked at the weight differences for the tyres for 17" vs. 18"?

[spiritof'76]

Try talking to PD about his gearkit. That runs 2wd ratios and spiritof75 has had no problems with his, plus i remember someone dropping a hint there could be dog version on the cards? Or have you thought about a lude box?

Spiritof75 you've robbed a year off me name

Pete has hinted that he wants to make it an option on the DPE to have a hybrid version at some point where you can have synchro engagement into some gears ie 1st and reverse and dog engagement into the others............. all in one box which would be a first i believe not sure how that plan is coming along though

Not sure at the moment wether you can specify what i have as a full dog box............ i think Ian (RS_Saint) requested it when he ordered but not sure if that's what he got